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		<title>By: Turk</title>
		<link>http://koehlerlaw.net/2010/01/on-ghostblogging-west-berlin-and-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamison:

The essential problem with the growing wave of crap is that it serves to define ethics downward. Some folks are trying to stem that tide.

And welcome to the blogosphere. I don&#039;t agree with some of what you said, but you write with a good voice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamison:</p>
<p>The essential problem with the growing wave of crap is that it serves to define ethics downward. Some folks are trying to stem that tide.</p>
<p>And welcome to the blogosphere. I don&#8217;t agree with some of what you said, but you write with a good voice.</p>
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		<title>By: jamison</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:  Thanks for coming on to the site.  I&#039;ve been called a damn fool by people of much lesser intellect so I guess this is a step up for me.  Thanks for commenting.  I respect your views.

Mr. Confidential:  Good to see you on the site.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:  Thanks for coming on to the site.  I&#8217;ve been called a damn fool by people of much lesser intellect so I guess this is a step up for me.  Thanks for commenting.  I respect your views.</p>
<p>Mr. Confidential:  Good to see you on the site.</p>
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		<title>By: D.A. Confidential</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.A. Confidential</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want naive?  Here I am.  I&#039;d never even heard of ghost-blogging until I read this post.  Of course, that means I&#039;ve not spent much time thinking about the ethics of it.
However, it makes me think of another trend in a field that I am thinking about all the time -- fiction writing.  There has been a recent trend towards novels authored by famous people, but actually written by ghost writers.  Both smack of intellectual dishonesty, frankly.  It just seems like in both cases you are representing to the world that you have produced the work in question, when you have not.  I will have to read more about it because to my simple mind the issue seems pretty simple and uncontroversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want naive?  Here I am.  I&#8217;d never even heard of ghost-blogging until I read this post.  Of course, that means I&#8217;ve not spent much time thinking about the ethics of it.<br />
However, it makes me think of another trend in a field that I am thinking about all the time &#8212; fiction writing.  There has been a recent trend towards novels authored by famous people, but actually written by ghost writers.  Both smack of intellectual dishonesty, frankly.  It just seems like in both cases you are representing to the world that you have produced the work in question, when you have not.  I will have to read more about it because to my simple mind the issue seems pretty simple and uncontroversial.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether ghostblawging is unethical may well be debatable, but I am still waiting for the  counterargument that takes into account lawyers&#039; special responsibilities. Using a ghostblogger is (by definition) claiming as one&#039;s own intellectual property that is not. Using a ghostblawger is billed (by those hawking the service) as a way to increase credibility. All analogies to fields other than the law fail because a) what we are selling is our very capacity to think and express our thoughts; and b) we have ethical duties that nobody else has.

When you have had people steal your intellectual property to build their own credibility, when you realize that lawyers are paying people to pollute your comments with spam, when you have (most importantly) had clients&#039; mommas tearfully tell you that they trust you because they have read everything you ever wrote on your blog, I suspect that you may come around to my way of thinking, ethically and aesthetically. Meanwhile, I&#039;m secure in my assessment of the ethics of using a ghostblogger, and unrepentant.

Whether lawyers should publicly call out other lawyers who are cheating (ethical violations) or polluting (aesthetic violations) on line is a question that wouldn&#039;t suffer from public discussion (five-word answer: general deterrence requires hurting feelings). I&#039;m sure that Scott Greenfield, Brian Tannebaum, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/2009/11/new-spam-comment-policy-for-law-firms.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eric Turkewitz&lt;/a&gt;, and the bloggers named in Eric&#039;s post can easily defend their positions against all comers, as can I. 

This is not purely an intellectual exercise to us, by the way. At least four of us have attracted the attention of a psychopathic cyberstalker—a genuine convicted rapist sex offender—for our troubles revealing out-of-control unethical lawyer marketing.

But &lt;i&gt;Rent-A-Brain&lt;/i&gt; is a strange place to start the discussion of whether those funding unethical marketing should be named and shamed. In that post I didn&#039;t name any of the lawyers responsible for the ghostblogging; I merely linked to the page where they unabashedly named themselves as having paid someone to &quot;increase their credibility.&quot; Anyone who thinks linking to a page of testimonials is &quot;cyberbullying&quot; is—with all due respect—a damn fool.

I did later name the lawyers, but that was only when the ghostblogger asked me to remove that link and my O.D.D. kicked in—I don&#039;t know what she was thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether ghostblawging is unethical may well be debatable, but I am still waiting for the  counterargument that takes into account lawyers&#8217; special responsibilities. Using a ghostblogger is (by definition) claiming as one&#8217;s own intellectual property that is not. Using a ghostblawger is billed (by those hawking the service) as a way to increase credibility. All analogies to fields other than the law fail because a) what we are selling is our very capacity to think and express our thoughts; and b) we have ethical duties that nobody else has.</p>
<p>When you have had people steal your intellectual property to build their own credibility, when you realize that lawyers are paying people to pollute your comments with spam, when you have (most importantly) had clients&#8217; mommas tearfully tell you that they trust you because they have read everything you ever wrote on your blog, I suspect that you may come around to my way of thinking, ethically and aesthetically. Meanwhile, I&#8217;m secure in my assessment of the ethics of using a ghostblogger, and unrepentant.</p>
<p>Whether lawyers should publicly call out other lawyers who are cheating (ethical violations) or polluting (aesthetic violations) on line is a question that wouldn&#8217;t suffer from public discussion (five-word answer: general deterrence requires hurting feelings). I&#8217;m sure that Scott Greenfield, Brian Tannebaum, <a href="http://www.newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/2009/11/new-spam-comment-policy-for-law-firms.html" rel="nofollow">Eric Turkewitz</a>, and the bloggers named in Eric&#8217;s post can easily defend their positions against all comers, as can I. </p>
<p>This is not purely an intellectual exercise to us, by the way. At least four of us have attracted the attention of a psychopathic cyberstalker—a genuine convicted rapist sex offender—for our troubles revealing out-of-control unethical lawyer marketing.</p>
<p>But <i>Rent-A-Brain</i> is a strange place to start the discussion of whether those funding unethical marketing should be named and shamed. In that post I didn&#8217;t name any of the lawyers responsible for the ghostblogging; I merely linked to the page where they unabashedly named themselves as having paid someone to &#8220;increase their credibility.&#8221; Anyone who thinks linking to a page of testimonials is &#8220;cyberbullying&#8221; is—with all due respect—a damn fool.</p>
<p>I did later name the lawyers, but that was only when the ghostblogger asked me to remove that link and my O.D.D. kicked in—I don&#8217;t know what she was thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Elefant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Elefant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie,
Thank you for opening the debate on this topic - I wrote about it as well.  I thought that your post had a professional tone to it and though I don&#039;t agree with all of it, I think that the disclosure (I don&#039;t think it&#039;s bullying) of individual lawyers&#039; practices is a topic that needs to be discussed.  I commented further on your post and the others at MyShingle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,<br />
Thank you for opening the debate on this topic &#8211; I wrote about it as well.  I thought that your post had a professional tone to it and though I don&#8217;t agree with all of it, I think that the disclosure (I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s bullying) of individual lawyers&#8217; practices is a topic that needs to be discussed.  I commented further on your post and the others at MyShingle.</p>
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		<title>By: jamison</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott:  Thank you for the thoughtful comment.  As always, a slightly lighter touch.  It is an honor to have you posting on this site.

Brian:  Thank you as well.  I may not understand the full implications of the term &quot;cyberbullying.&quot;  But I did not intend to call anyone scum, certainly not Mark Bennett or Scott Greenfield.  Appreciating the debate they started, I was merely participating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott:  Thank you for the thoughtful comment.  As always, a slightly lighter touch.  It is an honor to have you posting on this site.</p>
<p>Brian:  Thank you as well.  I may not understand the full implications of the term &#8220;cyberbullying.&#8221;  But I did not intend to call anyone scum, certainly not Mark Bennett or Scott Greenfield.  Appreciating the debate they started, I was merely participating.</p>
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		<title>By: brian tannebaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian tannebaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may want to research the definitition of &quot;cyberbullying&quot; before you throw it around and accuse your brethren of acting as such. Additionally, if you as a new blogger feel that &quot;policing the blawgosphere and calling out specific lawyers on what are still debatable ethical issues seems to me, as I wrote on Greenfield’s site, paternalistic and futile,&quot; then don&#039;t spend your time letting others know that there are scum among us.  Plenty of lawyers sit back and pretend like all of this is OK. No need for you to jump in and take a stand on the scum that pollute the internet, they may get mad at you and complain that you are &quot;cyberbullying&quot; them.&quot; I realized long ago that it&#039;s not about the profession anymore, it&#039;s about Google, and positioning.

There is nothing debatable about these issues, you either are the author of the material on your blog, or you&#039;re paying somene to write for you for the purpose of appearing as if its you. Kennedy wasn&#039;t a lawyer bound by the rules of professional conduct. He was a politician - someone trying to convince the public he was the answer to their prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to research the definitition of &#8220;cyberbullying&#8221; before you throw it around and accuse your brethren of acting as such. Additionally, if you as a new blogger feel that &#8220;policing the blawgosphere and calling out specific lawyers on what are still debatable ethical issues seems to me, as I wrote on Greenfield’s site, paternalistic and futile,&#8221; then don&#8217;t spend your time letting others know that there are scum among us.  Plenty of lawyers sit back and pretend like all of this is OK. No need for you to jump in and take a stand on the scum that pollute the internet, they may get mad at you and complain that you are &#8220;cyberbullying&#8221; them.&#8221; I realized long ago that it&#8217;s not about the profession anymore, it&#8217;s about Google, and positioning.</p>
<p>There is nothing debatable about these issues, you either are the author of the material on your blog, or you&#8217;re paying somene to write for you for the purpose of appearing as if its you. Kennedy wasn&#8217;t a lawyer bound by the rules of professional conduct. He was a politician &#8211; someone trying to convince the public he was the answer to their prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: shg</title>
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		<dc:creator>shg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember going through Checkpoint Charlie as a student in the 70s too.  It was a memorable experience, but I&#039;m not sure it serves as the basis for a philosophy.

Trends happen. We could all be wearing doubleknit polyester leisure suits today, but, thankfully, we&#039;re not.  We get to pick and choose which trends are worth following and which should be fought.  Watching lawyers turn themselves into used car salesmen, or perhaps streetwalkers is a better analogy, is a trend worth fighting.  We may not win, but I would rather lose fighting on the side of honor and integrity than sit out the fight scratching my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember going through Checkpoint Charlie as a student in the 70s too.  It was a memorable experience, but I&#8217;m not sure it serves as the basis for a philosophy.</p>
<p>Trends happen. We could all be wearing doubleknit polyester leisure suits today, but, thankfully, we&#8217;re not.  We get to pick and choose which trends are worth following and which should be fought.  Watching lawyers turn themselves into used car salesmen, or perhaps streetwalkers is a better analogy, is a trend worth fighting.  We may not win, but I would rather lose fighting on the side of honor and integrity than sit out the fight scratching my head.</p>
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